From djohnsto@scu.edu.au Thu Jun 6 04:34:28 2002
From: djohnsto@scu.edu.au (Don Johnston)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 14:34:28 +1000
Subject: [Unistats] Data Management Officer Position
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Dear Colleagues,
For your information.
Data Management Officer Position
Salary Range: $43,966 - $48,299 (HEW 6)
Applications are invited for the position of Data Management Officer
in the Office of the Pro Vice-Chancellor (Academic and Quality).
The successful appointee will manage the conduct of student
surveys at Southern Cross University, undertake analysis
of survey data and other University statistical data and provide
reports for the University and external parties.
A full advertisement and position description are available from
our website below:
http://www.scu.edu.au/jobs
Further details are available from Don Johnston on 02 6620 3176.
Email - djohnsto@scu.edu.au
Applications close: 14 June 2002.
Regards,
Don Johnston
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Don Johnston Phone : (02) 6620 3176
Institutional Research Officer Fax : (02) 6622 0203
Office of the Pro Vice-Chancellor and
Vice-President (Academic and Quality)
Southern Cross University
PO Box 157
Lismore NSW 2480
Email : djohnsto@scu.edu.au
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Dear Colleagues,
For your information.
Data Management Officer Position
Salary Range: $43,966 - $48,299 (HEW 6)
Applications are invited for the position
of Data Management Officer
in the Office of the Pro Vice-Chancellor (Academic and Quality).
The successful appointee will manage the conduct of student
surveys at Southern Cross University, undertake analysis
of survey data and other University statistical data and provide
reports for the University and external parties.
A full advertisement and position description are available from
our website below:
http://www.scu.edu.au/jobs
Further details are available from Don Johnston on 02 6620
3176.
Email - djohnsto@scu.edu.au
Applications close: 14 June 2002.
Regards,
Don Johnston
*********************************************************************
Don
Johnston
Phone : (02) 6620 3176
Institutional Research
Officer
Fax : (02) 6622 0203
Office of the Pro Vice-Chancellor and
Vice-President (Academic and Quality)
Southern Cross University
PO Box 157
Lismore NSW 2480
Email : djohnsto@scu.edu.au
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From andrea.matulick@adelaide.edu.au Mon Jun 17 03:07:39 2002
From: andrea.matulick@adelaide.edu.au (Andrea Matulick)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:37:39 +0930
Subject: [Unistats] Commencement date for RTS students who have upgraded or downgraded
Message-ID: <3D0D527B.8B21B482@adelaide.edu.au>
Hi all,
We are curious what commencement date other institutions have reported
for RTS students who have upgraded or downgraded their enrolment
(Masters to PhD or vice versa). DEST's documentation on commencing
students (and commencing RTS students) has been re-written. It is not
specific, but seems to suggest the date of the transfer should be
reported as the commencement date. Our student records system is
currently set to give us the original commencement date for these
students.
Does anyone else see this as a problem?
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The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
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Fax : +61 8 8303 4873
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From roni.mcdowell@rmit.edu.au Mon Jun 17 03:59:19 2002
From: roni.mcdowell@rmit.edu.au (Roni McDowell)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:59:19 +1000
Subject: [Unistats] Commencement date for RTS students who have
upgraded or downgraded
Message-ID:
Dear Andrea,
My understanding is as follows:
For students upgrading from a Masters to a PHD (same project) the commence date will be the date you determine the student commences the PHD. These students will have a separation status code of 2 - upgrading.
A student transferring from a Phd to a Masters (same project) will have the commence date of the PhD and a separation status code of 3 - downgrading.
Students moving from one program to another at the same level will have a new commence date only if it is a new project. If this is a new project they will have a separation status of 1 - transfer.
In this way the integrity of the commence date rules is maintained and DEST can track students who are moving between programs in the RTS and not count students with a separation status of 2 in the calculation of separations. I hope this helps.
Roni
Roni McDowell
Head, Statistics and Reporting Unit
Planning Group
RMIT Collection Coordinator
RMIT University
Phone: 03 9925 4077
Mobile: 0417554033
Fax: 03 9639 1941
>>> Andrea Matulick 17/06/2002 1:07:39 pm >>>
Hi all,
We are curious what commencement date other institutions have reported
for RTS students who have upgraded or downgraded their enrolment
(Masters to PhD or vice versa). DEST's documentation on commencing
students (and commencing RTS students) has been re-written. It is not
specific, but seems to suggest the date of the transfer should be
reported as the commencement date. Our student records system is
currently set to give us the original commencement date for these
students.
Does anyone else see this as a problem?
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Andrea Matulick
Management Information Analyst
Office of Planning and Development
The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
Ph : +61 8 8303 7570
Fax : +61 8 8303 4873
e-mail: andrea.matulick@adelaide.edu.au
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From Susan.Clark@jcu.edu.au Mon Jun 17 04:54:23 2002
From: Susan.Clark@jcu.edu.au (Sue Clark)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:54:23 +1000
Subject: [Unistats] Commencement date for RTS students who have
upgraded or downgraded
In-Reply-To: <3D0D527B.8B21B482@adelaide.edu.au>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.1.20020617141753.00cb1100@pop.jcu.edu.au>
Andrea,
Yes, I have battled with this upgrade problem too.
Under the DEST "commencing student" definition, a student who upgrades from
a Masters Research to a PhD is a commencing student, and the commencement
date should therefore be for the PhD. However, under the RTS guidelines,
the same student is only entitled to a total of 4 years RTS funding. This
could be interpreted to mean the commencement date should be at the start
of the Masters Research degree.
If you use the Masters Research commencing date, then you do NOT meet the
DEST student collection requirements but you do meet the RTS guidelines and
you can track the eftsu used under RTS correctly and easily.
If you use the PhD commencement date, then you meet the DEST student
collection requirements but the RTS eftsu requirements need to be tracked
individually student-by-student otherwise the RTS guidelines will be
breached.
I have interpreted this differently for different students depending on
whether there was an interval between candidature for the degrees and
whether the thesis title appeared to be the same/similar for both degrees.
There are no easy answers and I imagine that all universities interpreted
this in varying ways.
There does not seem to be the same problem for downgrades because neither
the DEST student collection nor the RTS guidelines considers them to be
commencing students. Therefore you use the original start date and track
the eftsu from there.
Sue Clark.
At 12:37 PM 17-06-2002 +0930, Andrea Matulick wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>We are curious what commencement date other institutions have reported
>for RTS students who have upgraded or downgraded their enrolment
>(Masters to PhD or vice versa). DEST's documentation on commencing
>students (and commencing RTS students) has been re-written. It is not
>specific, but seems to suggest the date of the transfer should be
>reported as the commencement date. Our student records system is
>currently set to give us the original commencement date for these
>students.
>
>Does anyone else see this as a problem?
>
>
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>Andrea Matulick
>Management Information Analyst
>Office of Planning and Development
>The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
>Ph : +61 8 8303 7570
>Fax : +61 8 8303 4873
>e-mail: andrea.matulick@adelaide.edu.au
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From andrea.matulick@adelaide.edu.au Tue Jun 18 01:22:01 2002
From: andrea.matulick@adelaide.edu.au (Andrea Matulick)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:52:01 +0930
Subject: [Unistats] Commencement date for RTS students who have transferred.
Message-ID: <3D0E8B39.91C20C4F@adelaide.edu.au>
I have received a number of replies on this matter with different views.
DEST has confirmed that the commencement date reported should be the
transfer date in all cases. The separation status code (E465) is then
used to exclude these students from being counted as 'commencing' for
RTS funding calculations.
These students will need to be treated carefully for other reporting or
we may see some strange commencing stats for HDR students. I am assuming
the admission basis code (E327) should be consistent with the
commencement date reported. I am also assuming that the most 'recent'
commencement date should be reported when a completion occurs.
Calculations on load consumption and remaining entitlement for these
students will need to refer to the 'original' commencement date, if
necessary.
Andrea
The commencement date to be reported for these students is as per our
specifications (that is the date they commence the new course). Element
465
is used to identify research students who are commencing by the student
specifications but are upgrading, downgrading or transferring.
cheers
Wayne Shippley
Assistant Director
Statistics Unit
Higher Education Division
Hi Andrea,
When I revisited the commencement date issues using DEST collection
guidelines. This is what I
found:
The commencement date is when the student first consumes load in the
course.
The commencing student exclusion list does not include upgrades or
downgrades.
Taking these two into consideration then the first time the student
consumes load in the new course
they have upgraded or downgraded into then that will become the
commencement date for the new
course.
I believe this is why the separation code becomes important for these
upgrades and downgrades so
that the student is recognised as a continuing RTS student and will not
be considered a separation.
Andrea,
Yes, I have battled with this upgrade problem too.
Under the DEST "commencing student" definition, a student who upgrades
from
a Masters Research to a PhD is a commencing student, and the
commencement
date should therefore be for the PhD. However, under the RTS
guidelines,
the same student is only entitled to a total of 4 years RTS funding.
This
could be interpreted to mean the commencement date should be at the
start
of the Masters Research degree.
If you use the Masters Research commencing date, then you do NOT meet
the
DEST student collection requirements but you do meet the RTS guidelines
and
you can track the eftsu used under RTS correctly and easily.
If you use the PhD commencement date, then you meet the DEST student
collection requirements but the RTS eftsu requirements need to be
tracked
individually student-by-student otherwise the RTS guidelines will be
breached.
I have interpreted this differently for different students depending on
whether there was an interval between candidature for the degrees and
whether the thesis title appeared to be the same/similar for both
degrees.
There are no easy answers and I imagine that all universities
interpreted
this in varying ways.
There does not seem to be the same problem for downgrades because
neither
the DEST student collection nor the RTS guidelines considers them to be
commencing students. Therefore you use the original start date and
track
the eftsu from there.
Sue Clark.
Dear Andrea,
Our interpretation of the 2002 guidelines (based on Section 6. Period of
RTS Support) is that the commencement date does not change on transfer,
downgrade, or upgrade. Given your question and Roni's response I will
give
further thought to the matter. I know that commencement date is a
concept
that DEST has had trouble pinning down and I know of at least three
different definitions that have been used from time to time. Certainly
before RTS we would have shown a research student whose transfer took
them
from one field of education to another as commencing in the new field
but
in most cases this would not have restarted the entitlement clock.
I look forward to hearing further views on this matter.
Allen
Dr Allen Muscio
Planning Support Office, A14
University of Sydney
Tel: 9351 3335
Fax: 9351 7301
Dear Andrea,
My understanding is as follows:
For students upgrading from a Masters to a PHD (same project) the
commence
date will be the date you determine the student commences the PHD.
These
students will have a separation status code of 2 - upgrading.
A student transferring from a Phd to a Masters (same project) will have
the
commence date of the PhD and a separation status code of 3 -
downgrading.
Students moving from one program to another at the same level will have
a
new commence date only if it is a new project. If this is a new project
they will have a separation status of 1 - transfer.
In this way the integrity of the commence date rules is maintained and
DEST
can track students who are moving between programs in the RTS and not
count
students with a separation status of 2 in the calculation of
separations. I
hope this helps.
Roni
Roni McDowell
Head, Statistics and Reporting Unit
Planning Group
RMIT Collection Coordinator
RMIT University
Phone: 03 9925 4077
Mobile: 0417554033
Fax: 03 9639 1941