<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Dear all,</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">There's been some traffic on the edequity
listserv about the new data elements for low SES which was announced in
the latest HEIMS newsletter. The equity practitioners find it very strange
and anomolous that they weren't included in the consultation. EOPHEA will
be writing to DEEWR with their feedback on the proposal.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I have copied my email to the ed equity
list as per below . Please note that Gavin meant 'the norm' when he said
'normal parents'.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">It would be helpful if we could frame
out responses (due on 19 Sept) along similar lines and have it go from
a DVC/VC in our institutions to add some weight to a revision of the proposal.
Please consult with relevant equity practitioners in your institution.<br>
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<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Wendy Marchment<br>
Director<br>
Quality, Planning and Statistics <br>
Nathan campus, Griffith University <br>
Nathan QLD 4111 Australia<br>
www.griffith.edu.au/qps<br>
Email: W.Marchment@griffith.edu.au<br>
Telephone (07) 373 54027 <br>
Facsimile (07) 373 55525 <br>
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<p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">11/09/2008 09:53 AM</font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Gavin Moodie/Staff/Griffith, Deborah.Tranter@unisa.edu.au</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Dear all,</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I have discussed and agree with Gavin's
points below. He has given me permission to pass this on to the equity
listserv.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">My only additional comment is that ideally,
this information should be collected through tertiary admission centres
where possible and be part of the downloaded information to university
student systems. This would allow for possible analysis on applicants and
offers as well as enrolments.<br>
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Regards<br>
<br>
Wendy Marchment<br>
Director<br>
Quality, Planning and Statistics <br>
Nathan campus, Griffith University <br>
Nathan QLD 4111 Australia<br>
www.griffith.edu.au/qps<br>
Email: W.Marchment@griffith.edu.au<br>
Telephone (07) 373 54027 <br>
Facsimile (07) 373 55525 <br>
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<p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">11/09/2008 09:24 AM</font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Cathy McGrath <s.spence@griffith.edu.au>,
Heather Cameron <h.cameron@griffith.edu.au>, Joanna Peters <j.peters@griffith.edu.au>,
John Fairbairn <j.fairbairn@griffith.edu.au>, Sue Spence <c.mcgrath@griffith.edu.au>,
Suzanne Wilkinson <suzanne.wilkinson@griffith.edu.au></font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">New student data elements for low SES
- feedback</font></table>
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Wendy</font><font size=3> <br>
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The question is too complicated and confusing. It should ask simply
the highest qualification of any parent, or the highest qualification of
mother and the highest qualification of father, and leave it to the very
few students who do not have normal parents to adapt their response to
their situation, as they have done for most of their life. I note,
incidentally, that answering the question seems to be voluntary so students
can decline to answer if their circumstances don't fit or they find the
question insensitive in imposing a norm.</font><font size=3> <br>
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The classification of qualifications is far too crude. In addition
to the current levels it should collect data on parents who completed year
11, year 10, other secondary, primary education, no formal schooling and
don't know.</font><font size=3> <br>
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The significance of level of highest qualification is related to year of
completion. I expect completing year 11 would indicate mid-low ses
in 1985 but mid-high SES in 1955. So this data element will have
to be interpreted within time periods. Nonetheless, I do not think
date when parent completed their highest qualification should be collected
because many students will not know this and it will add to their frustration
with completing the form. I suggest that date that parent completed
their highest qualification be inferred from the student's age: this will
be pretty rough, but hopefully good enough.</font><font size=3> <br>
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While parents' highest qualification would be a much better indicator of
ses if it were collected with parents' occupation or income band, there
are various methodological difficulties with each of these so I don't think
it is worthwhile collecting either. They can be added later if highest
qualification alone turns out to be too inaccurate for current purposes
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The data should be collected for all commencing domestic students, including
postgraduates. Increasingly students are pursing postgraduate qualifications
to distinguish themselves from ordinary bachelors, and it would be useful
to test whether this has an ses bias. It is also important to test
whether graduate entry occupational qualifications are even more biased
by ses, which I suspect is the case.</font><font size=3> <br>
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I support Griffith collecting data from 2009 and, incidentally, comparing
this with postcode data.</font><font size=3> <br>
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Gavin</font><font size=3> <br>
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G.Moodie@griffith.edu.au<br>
Vice Chancellor's office<br>
GRIFFITH UNIVERSITY 4111, Australia<br>
Home page: http://www.griffith.edu.au/vc/ate/moodie/<br>
ph +61 7 3735 5482<br>
fax +61 7 3735 7507</font><font size=3><br>
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<p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">09/09/2008 02:56 PM</font><font size=3>
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<div align=right><font size=1 face="sans-serif">To</font></div>
<td width=86%><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Sue Spence/Staff/Griffith@Griffith,
Joanna Peters/Staff/Griffith, Suzanne Wilkinson/Staff/Griffith, Gavin Moodie/Staff/Griffith,
Cathy McGrath/Staff/Griffith@Griffith</font><font size=3> </font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Heather Cameron/Staff/Griffith@Griffith,
John Fairbairn/Staff/Griffith</font><font size=3> </font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">New student data elements for low SES
- feedback pls</font></table>
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Dear all,</font><font size=3> <br>
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In the recent DEEWR September Newsletter available at http://www.heimshelp.deewr.gov.au/8_Newsletters/,
a proposal is included re new student return data elements for identification
on low SES, to replace the current postcode methodology.</font><font size=3>
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Would very much appreciate your feedback on the proposal by Monday 15th
September COB in order to draft a response which is required by 19 September.</font><font size=3>
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Feedback to include any/all of the following:</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
1. appropriateness of questions framed</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
2. which students should be asked eg all domestic undergraduates</font><font size=3>
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3. business process/system implications</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
4. additional questions which may assist in more accurately reflecting
low SES.</font><font size=3> <br>
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For my part I think the proposed questions have the potential to
confuse most students and would be difficult to collect data-wise. Seems
that DEEWR is endeavouring to cater for same sex couples with children.</font><font size=3>
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As we (ie Sue, John, Suzanne & I) were discussing this recently it
seems timely, although from Griffith's point of view would prefer collection
from 2009 internally.</font><font size=3> <br>
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Please feel free to pass this on to any other staff member who may have
a perspective on this.</font><font size=3> <br>
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Regards<br>
<br>
Wendy Marchment<br>
Director<br>
Quality, Planning and Statistics <br>
Nathan campus, Griffith University <br>
Nathan QLD 4111 Australia<br>
www.griffith.edu.au/qps<br>
Email: W.Marchment@griffith.edu.au<br>
Telephone (07) 373 54027 <br>
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