[Unistats] Fw: New student data elements for low SES - feedback
Wendy Marchment
w.marchment at griffith.edu.au
Fri Sep 12 07:25:42 WST 2008
Dear all,
There's been some traffic on the edequity listserv about the new data
elements for low SES which was announced in the latest HEIMS newsletter.
The equity practitioners find it very strange and anomolous that they
weren't included in the consultation. EOPHEA will be writing to DEEWR with
their feedback on the proposal.
I have copied my email to the ed equity list as per below . Please note
that Gavin meant 'the norm' when he said 'normal parents'.
It would be helpful if we could frame out responses (due on 19 Sept) along
similar lines and have it go from a DVC/VC in our institutions to add some
weight to a revision of the proposal. Please consult with relevant equity
practitioners in your institution.
Regards
Wendy Marchment
Director
Quality, Planning and Statistics
Nathan campus, Griffith University
Nathan QLD 4111 Australia
www.griffith.edu.au/qps
Email: W.Marchment at griffith.edu.au
Telephone (07) 373 54027
Facsimile (07) 373 55525
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Wendy Marchment/Staff/Griffith
11/09/2008 09:53 AM
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Fw: New student data elements for low SES - feedback
Dear all,
I have discussed and agree with Gavin's points below. He has given me
permission to pass this on to the equity listserv.
My only additional comment is that ideally, this information should be
collected through tertiary admission centres where possible and be part of
the downloaded information to university student systems. This would allow
for possible analysis on applicants and offers as well as enrolments.
Regards
Wendy Marchment
Director
Quality, Planning and Statistics
Nathan campus, Griffith University
Nathan QLD 4111 Australia
www.griffith.edu.au/qps
Email: W.Marchment at griffith.edu.au
Telephone (07) 373 54027
Facsimile (07) 373 55525
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Gavin Moodie <g.moodie at griffith.edu.au>
11/09/2008 09:24 AM
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W.Marchment at griffith.edu.au
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Cathy McGrath <s.spence at griffith.edu.au>, Heather Cameron
<h.cameron at griffith.edu.au>, Joanna Peters <j.peters at griffith.edu.au>,
John Fairbairn <j.fairbairn at griffith.edu.au>, Sue Spence
<c.mcgrath at griffith.edu.au>, Suzanne Wilkinson
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New student data elements for low SES - feedback
Wendy
The question is too complicated and confusing. It should ask simply the
highest qualification of any parent, or the highest qualification of
mother and the highest qualification of father, and leave it to the very
few students who do not have normal parents to adapt their response to
their situation, as they have done for most of their life. I note,
incidentally, that answering the question seems to be voluntary so
students can decline to answer if their circumstances don't fit or they
find the question insensitive in imposing a norm.
The classification of qualifications is far too crude. In addition to the
current levels it should collect data on parents who completed year 11,
year 10, other secondary, primary education, no formal schooling and don't
know.
The significance of level of highest qualification is related to year of
completion. I expect completing year 11 would indicate mid-low ses in
1985 but mid-high SES in 1955. So this data element will have to be
interpreted within time periods. Nonetheless, I do not think date when
parent completed their highest qualification should be collected because
many students will not know this and it will add to their frustration with
completing the form. I suggest that date that parent completed their
highest qualification be inferred from the student's age: this will be
pretty rough, but hopefully good enough.
While parents' highest qualification would be a much better indicator of
ses if it were collected with parents' occupation or income band, there
are various methodological difficulties with each of these so I don't
think it is worthwhile collecting either. They can be added later if
highest qualification alone turns out to be too inaccurate for current
purposes
The data should be collected for all commencing domestic students,
including postgraduates. Increasingly students are pursing postgraduate
qualifications to distinguish themselves from ordinary bachelors, and it
would be useful to test whether this has an ses bias. It is also
important to test whether graduate entry occupational qualifications are
even more biased by ses, which I suspect is the case.
I support Griffith collecting data from 2009 and, incidentally, comparing
this with postcode data.
Gavin
G.Moodie at griffith.edu.au
Vice Chancellor's office
GRIFFITH UNIVERSITY 4111, Australia
Home page: http://www.griffith.edu.au/vc/ate/moodie/
ph +61 7 3735 5482
fax +61 7 3735 7507
Wendy Marchment/Staff/Griffith
09/09/2008 02:56 PM
To
Sue Spence/Staff/Griffith at Griffith, Joanna Peters/Staff/Griffith, Suzanne
Wilkinson/Staff/Griffith, Gavin Moodie/Staff/Griffith, Cathy
McGrath/Staff/Griffith at Griffith
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Heather Cameron/Staff/Griffith at Griffith, John Fairbairn/Staff/Griffith
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New student data elements for low SES - feedback pls
Dear all,
In the recent DEEWR September Newsletter available at
http://www.heimshelp.deewr.gov.au/8_Newsletters/, a proposal is included
re new student return data elements for identification on low SES, to
replace the current postcode methodology.
Would very much appreciate your feedback on the proposal by Monday 15th
September COB in order to draft a response which is required by 19
September.
Feedback to include any/all of the following:
1. appropriateness of questions framed
2. which students should be asked eg all domestic undergraduates
3. business process/system implications
4. additional questions which may assist in more accurately reflecting low
SES.
For my part I think the proposed questions have the potential to confuse
most students and would be difficult to collect data-wise. Seems that
DEEWR is endeavouring to cater for same sex couples with children.
As we (ie Sue, John, Suzanne & I) were discussing this recently it seems
timely, although from Griffith's point of view would prefer collection
from 2009 internally.
Please feel free to pass this on to any other staff member who may have a
perspective on this.
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Regards
Wendy Marchment
Director
Quality, Planning and Statistics
Nathan campus, Griffith University
Nathan QLD 4111 Australia
www.griffith.edu.au/qps
Email: W.Marchment at griffith.edu.au
Telephone (07) 373 54027
Facsimile (07) 373 55525
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